Saturday, April 30, 2016

Re: [AvC] Re: Should God have it in for atheists?



On Apr 30, 2016, at 4:49 PM, ravn <69blacklab@gmail.com> wrote:



On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 11:16:44 PM UTC-7, LL wrote:
It was one theocracy against another.

Moses went ape shit over some spontaneous ecumenical mingling involving the trading of sexual favors & instigated genocide. That's the real story here, isn't it? It's just that petty, sordid & stupid. Yarrido is living in some theocratic cloud cuckoo land over this.  

"A salesman is got to dream boy, it comes with the territory." 

Death of a Salesman, Arthur Miller. 


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Re: [AvC] Re: How to Achieve True Artistry



On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 1:55:52 AM UTC-4, LL wrote:

But when it came to the reasons for the dark ages, religion, namely Christianity, was at the forefront. It was the driving force. 

Religion may very well serve as one among many examples of an ailing patient with an as-yet unidentified ailment. They may be suffering from a bullet or a stab wound since there seems to be a great deal of blood but not a lot of apparent damage so an entry wound is suspected but none has been located and the doctor repeatedly declares, "there's a sick patient over here...". 

We might say, the general subject of religion may be one of many examples, with which to examine for evidence something that so far might be described in specific terms such as those we have offered so perhaps a question such as; can you offer any examples within your preferred subject may be in order. Having done so, an approach may be considered as to how best administer relief. For instance, rather than more creative ways to declare an ailing patient, more creative ways to bring relief to more ailing patients may be an effective approach. So can you think of any good examples within your general frame of reference, that might fit a specific description such as the one we provided?

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Re: [AvC] Re: Should God have it in for atheists?



On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 11:16:44 PM UTC-7, LL wrote:
It was one theocracy against another.

Moses went ape shit over some spontaneous ecumenical mingling involving the trading of sexual favors & instigated genocide. That's the real story here, isn't it? It's just that petty, sordid & stupid. Yarrido is living in some theocratic cloud cuckoo land over this.  

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Re: [AvC] Re: Science, faith, atheism and eternity



On Apr 30, 2016, at 4:27 PM, ravn <69blacklab@gmail.com> wrote:



On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 12:31:49 PM UTC-7, LL wrote:

The flaw is that we can't know for sure whether anything has a body and can move, exist or have experiences.

Oh, oh. You're slipping into solipsism.

Nothing wrong with solipsism as a discussion point. It's a good mental exercise. One does not have to accept solipsism as true, but should understand what it is. Too many who immediately reject it don't know what it is and don't care to know. Something like a creationist who doesn't want to know what evolution is or how it might work. 

Lois

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Re: [AvC] Re: Science, faith, atheism and eternity



On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 12:31:49 PM UTC-7, LL wrote:

The flaw is that we can't know for sure whether anything has a body and can move, exist or have experiences.

Oh, oh. You're slipping into solipsism.

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Re: [AvC] Re: Science, faith, atheism and eternity



On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 5:18:29 PM UTC-4, Rupert wrote:

It is not correct that there is not one shred of scientific evidence that anything exists outside the mind. There is perfectly good scientific evidence for the existence of physical objects. Our belief in the existence of physical objects is not infallible, but to say that there is not one shred of scientific evidence for it is nonsense.

Far more constructive comment there, Rupert though we may have chuckled a bit when reading your preferred term, "stupider"; have you ever heard of something more stupid or so stupid a statement? ;)

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Re: [AvC] Re: Science, faith, atheism and eternity



On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 10:36:49 PM UTC+2, LL wrote:


> On Apr 30, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Bret <bretle...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>  So  Ergo only matter matters. But you can't prove matter exists. You can assume your not in the matrix, a brain in a vat, or in a simulated reality but there is not one shred of scientific evidence that anything exists outside the mind. Isn't that what you love evidence. Wake up.

Bret, I am more than surprised  to hear you saying such rational things. There may be hope for you yet. I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. I hope the rational people on AvC had something to do with this absolute turnaround. It is highly unusual.

It is not correct that there is not one shred of scientific evidence that anything exists outside the mind. There is perfectly good scientific evidence for the existence of physical objects. Our belief in the existence of physical objects is not infallible, but to say that there is not one shred of scientific evidence for it is nonsense.

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