Sunday, May 24, 2015

[AvC] Re: Blacks, Genetically Inferior or Slave Family Values?



On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 8:06:00 PM UTC-7, Kurt wrote:
How come every other ethnic group in the US has prospered. Didn't matter when they came over or the color of their skin, or their command of the English language, they all prospered except black Americans. 


Institutional racism of which the above race-baiting is a part of. OTOH,  some black people do prosper and 70% of black people are not living in poverty. & they're are a lot of black people out there doing interesting things regardless if *you* value them or not. So,  why don't you just walk in front of a bus or something & put your misery out of circulation,  permanently. 

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[AvC] Re: Tackling militant Islamism means also confronting its non-violent forms



On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:09:02 AM UTC-7, love&peace wrote:

Have I in any way said something negative about NIGERIA here? No!


Of course not because nobody said you were, dumb-ass. Boko Haram is a threat to the Muslim population as much as the Christian so why run around chastising Muslims here who are not terrorists? Answer that.




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Re: [AvC] Re: What is it? How is it able to work in this day and age?








On May 24, 2015, at 2:54 AM, "'Rupert' via Atheism vs Christianity"<atheism-vs-christianity@googlegroups.com> wrote:



On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:38:24 AM UTC+2, Alan Wostenberg wrote:

What is faith Lawrey? Start with ordinary faith...such as faith of a traveling atheist when he consults a map to a place he's never been.

That's putting your trust in the reliability of the cartographers who produced the map.

Why exactly do we call it faith? Is every example of putting your trust in something an example of faith? 

There is a big difference between faith and rational  expectation--something theists can't seem to get their heads around. Just another indication of how their minds have been contaminated by religion. 

LL

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Re: [AvC] Re: Religion-Vs-Honesty, Integrity & Truth








On May 24, 2015, at 3:05 AM, lawrey <lawrenceel@btinternet.com> wrote:



                              Ding,

                                          Did it never occur to you why it was that the term Satan was never used until the book of Job? written in the second part of the 4th century B.C.


I'm not so sure. Wasn't the serpent in the Garden  of Eden supposed to be a manifestation of Satan? Meanwhile, everything in the G of E was supposed to have been created by you-know-who! 

LL



                                          There was no such thing as Satan just as there was never such a thing as a god as proclaimed by the bible book of stories.
                              
                                         The idea for an opposer to their imagined god came from our first dualist Zoroaster: It is well recorded in ancient history and has been published many times on this site.

                                         So just F.Y.I....: 
                                                                          

                                      *   Zoroaster  (660-583 B.C.)  [Persia]. It was this ruler who brought a fundamental emphasis of thought which was to have a very important influence in later times.

                                                      He saw in all the processes of the universe a continual struggle between good and evil, truth and falsehood. His interpretation was dualistic, for every positive

                                                     there was a negative, in terms of Ahura Mazda (god of light) and Angra Mainya (bad spirit) with their hosts of archangels. It was with the knowledge of these

                                                     thoughts during the Exile that the Hebrews developed the idea of Satan as the great adversary to Jehovah; the Christian idea of the Devil was derived from

                                                     Judaism. Zoroaster's attitude of devotion to truth and hatred of dishonesty led directly to the science and philosophy of Greece. *

** Taken from: "The Philosophy of One on the Many" By Lawrence Eleyot

                                       


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Re: [AvC] Re: 13 bakers refuse to make anti gay marriage cake

On May 24, 2015, at 5:56 AM, "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote:

> He means, as long as you keep using your rational mind instead of just believing in the Bible, you're doomed.

Very well put, Bob.

LL

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Re: [AvC] Re: 13 bakers refuse to make anti gay marriage cake








On May 24, 2015, at 6:35 AM, "'Rupert' via Atheism vs Christianity"<atheism-vs-christianity@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Yarrido :   Sure you do. A person who thinks he already knows, can't learn because of a barrier to his learning. His own thinking gets in the way of learning. It's an intellectual version of tripping over your own feet. That's why the bible calls it a stumbling block.

Rupert: So what you're saying is that if you actually made whatever point you want to make about the interpretation of the verses, you don't have any confidence that I'd consider it with an open mind.

What he is actually saying is that only stupid,  uneducated people can understand the bible and that intellectual ability interferes with it, which is what I suspected all along. When intelligent people look at the bible, the religious aspects make no sense and they are not so easily duped as stupid people are. As Yarrido states, "His own thinking gets in the way of learning. It's an intellectual version of tripping over your own feet. That's why the bible calls it a stumbling block."  I think he's onto something important. 

LL


Re: [AvC] Re: 13 bakers refuse to make anti gay marriage cake



On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:25:32 PM UTC+2, yar...@aol.com wrote:


On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:17:16 AM UTC-7, Rupert wrote:


On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 12:59:44 PM UTC+2, yar...@aol.com wrote:


On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 4:43:59 AM UTC-7, Rupert wrote:


On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 12:47:19 PM UTC+2, yar...@aol.com wrote:


On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 3:32:08 AM UTC-7, Rupert wrote:


On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 12:15:40 PM UTC+2, yar...@aol.com wrote:


On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 10:55:44 PM UTC-7, Rupert wrote:


On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 4:34:23 AM UTC+2, yar...@aol.com wrote:


On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 1:29:09 PM UTC-7, Dingbat wrote:
On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 9:30:42 AM UTC-4, LL wrote:

On May 21, 2015, at 6:24 AM, "'Dingbat' via Atheism vs Christianity"<atheism-vs-christianity@googlegroups.com> wrote
On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 10:10:14 PM UTC-4, Kurt wrote:
They need to ask for a cake with the Leviticus statement about stoning male homosexuals. See if they bake that cake.  

Actually, Leviticus doesn't mention stoning. It says:
1) They are to be put to death (no mention of how).
2) The guilt for their deaths doesn't fall on the heads of the killers; it falls on the heads of those killed.
http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-13.htm

Well that settles it, then. The bakers can refuse to bake the cake on the grounds of historical inaccuracy. Controversy over!

How about the more accurate "Gay killers are innocent of murder"? (#2 above)

Why are you folks talking about a theocratic legal system when you have no understanding of the ramification of what that entails? I seriously doubt that any of you are actually experts on that ancient system. When I read through these posts, I get the distinct impression that I am listening to a bunch of bar room philosophers.

Is there, perhaps, some reason why we should refrain from discussing the verses in Leviticus?


  Perhaps you should and start listening about them from those who have the proper education. But how likely is that for folks who are pushing theists out of  the public square?

Are you an example of a person who has the proper education? 

  The greater the modesty, the greater an example.

I'm not totally sure what you want to convey by that. Are you telling us that you can teach us something about how to interpret the verses in Leviticus? 


   Not when you barricade your intellect behind a barrier like that. No one can.

I don't know what you mean, I'm afraid.

  Sure you do. A person who thinks he already knows, can't learn because of a barrier to his learning. His own thinking gets in the way of learning. It's an intellectual version of tripping over your own feet. That's why the bible calls it a stumbling block.

So what you're saying is that if you actually made whatever point you want to make about the interpretation of the verses, you don't have any confidence that I'd consider it with an open mind.

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