Sunday, December 21, 2014

[AvC] Re: Did St Paul identify himself as a Jew or as a Christian?



On Saturday, 20 December 2014 20:27:39 UTC, Dingbat wrote:
.. or did which he identified himself as depend on the time & place? The following language has the appearance of coming from a Jew:

when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.  They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus." (Romans 2:12-16)


                        Ding,

                                    At first glance this seems a pointless even stupid question; non-the-less, since there is ignorance on the issue particularly from so-called Christians, let's endeavour
                                    to sort fact from fiction.....Bearing in mind that the whole of religion is steeped....founded....and built upon fiction.

                                   1. Christianity was developed from the Messianic religion of the Hebrew Nation of Peoples; in the the Original Jewish Torah which is accepted by Christianity as being the basis
                                        and first five books of the Christian Bible, They are formed from three supposedly sacred scriptures or documents;  THE LAW:....THE PROPHETS:....THE WRITINGS:....
                                        (
Such as, the psalms and proverbs.)....As stated the scriptures also form the OT of the Christian Bible.

                                   2. Therefore it would not it seems to me be unreasonable to say that  Saul as he was originally known in the Hebraic language to say the he was a Christian Jew, since
                                       he appeared to accept the idea at least of the character Jesus.......In any event He is alleged to have been descending from Abram the Hebrew according to the Bible.
                                       So the direct answer to the original question is that he was born a Jew, who became a Christian in support of the OT prophesies, if we can take them verbatim, but we
                                       cannot, since the OT like the NT was altered many times.

                                   3. It has to be said however that Judaism does not accept the diktats of the Christian inspired NT. or any of its accounts of the fulfillment of the OT prophesies.
                                       Nor does Judaism accept the central Christian teaching which suggests the the character (Jesus Christ)   as the Messiah foretold in the OT.
                                       Christianity has received from Judaism its basis understanding of an idea of a god, a covenant relationship with its people and gathering together to worship.
                                       Some Jews who have become Christians, refer to themselves as "Complete Jews."

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[AvC] Re: Washington Post article doubting existence of historical Jesus

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[AvC] Washington Post article doubting existence of historical Jesus

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/18/did-historical-jesus-exist-the-traditional-evidence-doesnt-hold-up

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[AvC] Re: "God is good" implies "Evil is good"?

nothing new here

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 9:33:49 AM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKi6yoYwaI


Paul T Sjordal9 months ago
[William Lane] Craig makes excuses for things that are objectively evil while simultaneously maintaining that objective morality is proof of god's existence. Let that sink in: objective morality is proof of god, but he can't actually prove that god is good without making a mockery of the very idea of objective morality, and so Craig is put in the position of arguing that evil is actually good.

TheIronwil

2 months ago
God killed A'aron's sons because they prepared his holy incense wrong, and then commanded Moses and A'aron to sneak the burnt bodies out of the camp. The God as described in the Old Testament never seems to tire of killing babies. The sacked cities, the cities and places God himself smote, the freaking flood myth, where everyone on the planet supposedly died, Abraham's son, the 42 kids killed by she-bears, the first born of Egypt... it goes on. Anyone that defends these would make excellent apologists for Hitler's attempt at genocide.


Pat Doyle

3 weeks ago
Watching the terrible video of floods, tsunamis, and their aftermath made me wonder why Christians would go to help the victims of these disasters. Would their god have sent these disasters if the people did not deserve to die? Who are they to try to prevent god's will from being done?


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Saturday, December 20, 2014

[AvC] Re: Edward Feser on objections to the principle of causality based on quantum mechanics

Rupert when you say "If he wants to claim that the principle of causality is not undermined by Bell's inequality then he's obliged to explain himself in more detail" what do you mean by "the principle of causality", in light Feser's point B: Conflating genus and species

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[AvC] Goebbels was excommunicated

"The only Nazi excommunicated was excommunicated for marrying a divorced Protestant. You see, the Roman Catholic church had standards." - Christopher Hitchens

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[AvC] Did St Paul identify himself as a Jew or as a Christian?

.. or did which he identified himself as depend on the time & place? The following language has the appearance of coming from a Jew:

when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.  They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus." (Romans 2:12-16)

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