Friday, March 6, 2015

[AvC] UK MPs vote against explicit ban on sex-selective abortions

Fiona Bruce's amendment to the Serious Crime Bill has been voted down by the Commons

An attempt to make the sex-selective abortions of baby girls an explicitly criminal offence has been thrown out by the House of Commons.

An amendment to the Serious Crime Bill, tabled by Fiona Bruce, the Conservative MP for Congleton, was defeated by 291 votes to 201.

The move would have clarified the Government's interpretation of the 1967 Abortion Act that abortions on grounds of gender are illegal.

It was rejected after Yvette Cooper, the Shadow Home Secretary, and the Trades Union Congress wrote to Labour MPs asking them to vote against it.

On the day of the Report Stage debate, the Prime Minister, David Cameron also voiced his opposition to the amendment on the grounds that it could stop women being able to "avoid the certainty of genetic disease".

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/02/23/mps-vote-against-ban-on-sex-selective-abortions/

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[AvC] They look like a new boy band but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex marriage


•Three men have tied the knot in world's first three-way same-sex marriage
•Gay Thai men Joke, Bell and Art took the plunge on Valentine's Day
•The trio wed under Buddhist law due to Thailand's marriage restrictions
•Bell said: 'We believe many people do understand and accept our choice'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2972542/They-look-like-new-boy-band-s-world-s-THREE-WAY-sex-marriage-Gay-Thai-men-tie-knot-fairytale-ceremony.html

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[AvC] Re: Jesus' House? 1st-Century Structure May Be Where He Grew Up

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 6:31:48 PM UTC-5, Steve in Virginia wrote:
There are no records or sources, except for the Bible, that confirm the existence of Nazareth in the 1st century CE. Nazareth is not mentioned at all in the entire Old Testament.  In all of his writings, St Paul knows nothing of Nazareth.  The Talmud identifies over 60 Galilean towns yet never mentions such city. Also, despite the Levant awash with ancient historians and  geographers none of them ever mentions the town of Nazareth.  In fact, the first mention of Nazareth outside biblical or christian sources isn't until the 4th century CE.

Curiously, in the 3rd century, Origen - one of the fathers of the early christian church - knew the gospel story of the city of Nazareth.  However, though he lived in Caesarea, barely thirty miles from the present location of Nazareth,  Origen had no idea where the town was actually located.  The Itinerarium Burdigalense – the Itinerary of the Anonymous Pilgrim of Bordeaux – is one of the earliest travelogs - including distances - left by a pious traveler. It is dated to 333 AD.  In Part VI, the traveler describes his journey from Caesarea to Jerusalem and yet never mentions Nazareth. He even travels to Jacob's well at Sichar where Jesus was said to have asked a Samaritan woman for water - and still no mention of Nazareth.  The
Tabula Peutingeriana is a 4th century CE Roman map of the entire world as they knew it. It is the only known surviving map of the cursus publicus - the official state-run courier and transport service created by the Emperor Augustus. The map depicts the ancient world from Spain in the west to India in the east. The currently extant map is actually a medieval copy made by a monk in Colmar, in northeastern France. It now resides at the Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, in Vienna and though more than 3000 place names are mentioned Nazareth is not one of them.

Cheers,

Steve

Then, what is the origin of the current town of Nazareth?


On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 5:02:21 PM UTC-5, John Stockwell wrote:
Did Nazareth even exist in at the beginning of the 1st century CE? There is some question of that:

http://www.nazarethmyth.info/naz1article.html

On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 7:42:46 PM UTC-7, Kurt wrote:

Jesus' House? 1st-Century Structure May Be Where He Grew Up

Archaeologists working in Nazareth — Jesus' hometown — in modern-day Israel have identified a house dating to the first century that was regarded as the place where Jesus was brought up by Mary and Joseph.

The house is partly made of mortar-and-stone walls, and was cut into a rocky hillside. It was first uncovered in the 1880s, by nuns at the Sisters of Nazareth convent, but it wasn't until 2006 that archaeologists led by Ken Dark, a professor at the University of Reading in the United Kingdom, dated the house to the first century, and identified it as the place where people, who lived centuries after Jesus' time, believed Jesus was brought up.

Whether Jesus actually lived in the house in real life is unknown, but Dark says that it is possible...

http://www.livescience.com/49997-jesus-house-possibly-found-nazareth.html

He did grow up in Nazareth, that's about the only part of his youth that we can be confident of. And we know a lot about Nazareth, so we do know some about his youth.

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[AvC] Re: Celebrity atheists



On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:50:27 PM UTC+11, e_space wrote:


On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 6:06:51 PM UTC-5, GT wrote:


On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 10:51:02 PM UTC+11, e_space wrote:
where did i mention religion? 

It's what you were implying. How could it not be? Religion sets the rules that according to you I'm violating. But as a theist I believe it's all about doing what is positive.  And, attempting to counter 'Satan's' right hand man, Ranjit, with what ever works, is being positive (But as it turns out, he's such an arrogant little shit even my insults don't override his arrogance anymore. That is soon he won't even bother to respond, and that is being arrogant).

typically your comments aren't worthy of a response, such as this one ... 

This, from one of the biggest fakes here, hiding as you do behind a lack of commitment in general. You don't believe in a God when it suits you, but when it does, you do.
 

religion sets rules for its followers, which carry no weight to anyone else ...

Then you are being hypocritical when you complain about my remarks. If there is no-standard other than that set by one side or the other, what right do you have to complain. Your rules wouldn't be my rules.  So, you can  go to 'hell'!  And, that's something that could be possible whether you believe in hell or not.
 
theists don't always do what is positive and atheists are often more giving and moral than theists ... if ranjit isn't a theist, he doesn't believe in your satan ... and btw, i thought you weren't religious? if not, why do you believe in god or satan ... both of them are constructs of a man-made religion ... btw2, maybe ranjit doesn't care about your childish insults ... grow up for fucks sake ... just a suggestion  ;-^)

That's right, theists aren't always positive, even if generally they are more so than are atheists. But God rewards positivity, being religious is being positive. But not necessarily more positive than any particular action, which of course can be carried out by anyone, religious or not. 

And you are wrong, I don't believe in God or Satan (it's why I highlighted 'Satan'). I believe that there is a God, a positive force, and by default a negative force, 'Satan'. And neither of them were constructs of religion. In fact it is the concept of a God that led to the creation of religion.

As for 'Rancid', he is from a culture that cares a lot about how it looks for the individual. But as I've pointed out this concern is being overridden by his cultural arrogance. He'll probably just increase his rate of posting as a way of burying  the criticisms. Violating the principle of the forum without the slightest regard for any serious posters.  Arrogance and conceit are common traits amongst the people of his culture.

But this is not the kind of politically incorrect speech you want to be hearing, is it. You are just another Liberal, whose disguised them-self so as to get an advantage over theists. You've been exposed enough though. Don't you have a conscience.


 

 So weighing up my sins against my positivity I believe I still come out ahead.

 

On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 10:49:10 PM UTC-5, GT wrote:


On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 12:42:45 AM UTC+11, e_space wrote:


On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 11:01:15 PM UTC-5, GT wrote:


On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 4:39:59 AM UTC+11, Dingbat wrote:
http://styleblazer.com/367697/celebrities-who-are-atheists

How about a list of celebrity theists?

1. Mel Gibson

Still at it Ranjit. Opening up unnecessary threads, promoting atheism. In this instance trying to make it look like there are few theist celebrities, when in fact there are even fewer who are atheists. Always getting it wrong because you don't manage to follow the debate at all, and instead want it to follow you. Godless piece of shit that you are.

wow ... what a godly expression! ... you should be proud of your grasp of theism and piety, which taught you how to express yourself with such class and godliness ... 


I'm not religious. So I'm speaking for myself. 

 
 

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[AvC] Re: Jesus' House? 1st-Century Structure May Be Where He Grew Up

There are no records or sources, except for the Bible, that confirm the existence of Nazareth in the 1st century CE. Nazareth is not mentioned at all in the entire Old Testament.  In all of his writings, St Paul knows nothing of Nazareth.  The Talmud identifies over 60 Galilean towns yet never mentions such city. Also, despite the Levant awash with ancient historians and  geographers none of them ever mentions the town of Nazareth.  In fact, the first mention of Nazareth isn't until the 4th century CE.

Curiously, in the 3rd century, Origen - one of the fathers of the early christian church - knew the gospel story of the city of Nazareth.  However, though he lived in Caesarea, barely thirty miles from the present location of Nazareth,  Origen had no idea where the town was actually located.  The Itinerarium Burdigalense – the Itinerary of the Anonymous Pilgrim of Bordeaux – is one of the earliest travelogs - including distances - left by a pious traveler. It is dated to 333 AD.  In Part VI, the traveler describes his journey from Caesarea to Jerusalem and yet never mentions Nazareth. He even travels to Jacob's well at Sichar where Jesus was said to have asked a Samaritan woman for water - and still no mention of Nazareth.  The
Tabula Peutingeriana is a 4th century CE Roman map of the entire world as they knew it. It is the only known surviving map of the cursus publicus - the official state-run courier and transport service created by the Emperor Augustus. The map depicts the ancient world from Spain in the west to India in the east. The currently extant map is actually a medieval copy made by a monk in Colmar, in northeastern France. It now resides at the Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, in Vienna and though more than 3000 place names are mentioned Nazareth is not one of them.

Cheers,

Steve


On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 5:02:21 PM UTC-5, John Stockwell wrote:
Did Nazareth even exist in at the beginning of the 1st century CE? There is some question of that:

http://www.nazarethmyth.info/naz1article.html

On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 7:42:46 PM UTC-7, Kurt wrote:

Jesus' House? 1st-Century Structure May Be Where He Grew Up

Archaeologists working in Nazareth — Jesus' hometown — in modern-day Israel have identified a house dating to the first century that was regarded as the place where Jesus was brought up by Mary and Joseph.

The house is partly made of mortar-and-stone walls, and was cut into a rocky hillside. It was first uncovered in the 1880s, by nuns at the Sisters of Nazareth convent, but it wasn't until 2006 that archaeologists led by Ken Dark, a professor at the University of Reading in the United Kingdom, dated the house to the first century, and identified it as the place where people, who lived centuries after Jesus' time, believed Jesus was brought up.

Whether Jesus actually lived in the house in real life is unknown, but Dark says that it is possible...

http://www.livescience.com/49997-jesus-house-possibly-found-nazareth.html

He did grow up in Nazareth, that's about the only part of his youth that we can be confident of. And we know a lot about Nazareth, so we do know some about his youth.

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[AvC] Re: God and Nothing (image 2)

So is the Easter Bunny

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 1:43:10 PM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
God isn't nothing. At the least, he's a personification of some set of ideals.

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:06:08 AM UTC-5, Ego wrote:


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[AvC] Single mutation made us most intelligent animal?

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