Friday, May 27, 2016

[AvC] Pioneering Arab women

allies behind them and acknowledges them as heroes."

Any countries that are predominantly Christian?

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Re: [AvC] Re: Atheists Do Believe



On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 6:33:18 PM UTC-7, Alan Wostenberg wrote:
LL, who can find no evidence of X will decide to believe X, or not, on some other basis than evidence.

Wishful thinking, for example.

- Bob T 

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Re: [AvC] Cause &Efect

> On May 24, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Bret <bretlenehan69@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I think you get your information about the Catholic Church from Atheist web sites.


I don't know who you are referring to but I, for one, got my information from church itself. I was raised a Catholic and have learned plenty about the church before and after I left it.


> The third secret had nothing to do with the Virgin Mary. I don't why you are focusing on the pope in regards to Fatima.The Blessed Mother did not appear to the Pope but to three children.

"The Blessed Mother" didn't appear to anyone.

> You don't seem to have anything to say about the three children. I suppose you think they were lying. The church has verified the Blessed Mother's appearance at Fatima and the Miracle of the Sun.

How did they verify it? Was someone from the church at Fatima with the children?


> These type of verifications take years.

How does the church go about verifying a "sighting".

> Many Catholics want Medegoria to be recognized by the church for appearances from the Blessed Mother and the corresponding miracles.

What does that prove? Many Catholics want a lot of things to support their beliefs.


> The church has held off on this but will investigate it fully.

I would like to know what the "investigation" will entail. I think it's very odd that you would claim to know.


> Your information does not come from any valid Vatican source.

Nor does yours.


> Fatima's validity is universally accepted in the Catholic Church.

No it isn't, as Amos so ably outlined.


> John Paul the 2nd and Pope Francis have talked about Fatima's importance and Mary's importance. The importance of saying the rosary and prayer to God in general was imparted to the three children as well as the 3 secrets. They were shown a vision of hell that terrified them, it showed the suffering of souls.

You know this how? Because the Church and its websites have told you?


> Get off the atheist websites if you want to learn about the Catholic Church.

Get off the Catholic websites if you want to know about the Catholic Church. How much do you think you would have learned about the Catholic clergy abuse scandal if all you accessed were Catholic websites?
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Re: [AvC] Cause &Efect

To Dingbat,
In one Hollywood film (it was cloning related film), Arnold Schwartznegre ( I am not sure about spelling) asked who gets to decide who should die first ? Usually, death related issues are not discussed openly on public platform; but rest assured that before terminating lifespan of a person, no matter how insignificant or worthless that person is, system takes many issues around existence of that person, into account. It is quite a complex ptocess. Perhaps that old person was hinting at that process. In Hindu philosophy, even death of a living mortal (after taking into cosideration the abovementioned complex process) is not the end of everything. The पुनर्जन्म (pronounced as 'punarjanm' meaning reincarnation) concept refers to age old fight between good & evil. If you link your resurrection related theme to 'punarjanm', then perhaps you may get some parallel interpretation for resurrection. But that's somewhat different line of analysis.
Perhaps Christianity lobby also takes this into account by using the term restless souls...

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Re: [AvC] Cause &Efect

On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 6:56:37 PM UTC+5:30, Samir wrote:
I think this interpretation conflict arises out of the fact that your perception about theology or God is based upon western philosophy; whereas my theist beliefs are based upon principles of Hinduism. In westetn countries, theists tried to rule the masses in the name of God. That didn't happen in India. Hinduism has taken pro-truth atheism into account by way of निर्गुण उपासना (pronounced as 'nirgun upaasana'). We use the word God or Almighty in different context.
अव्यक्तं व्यक्तिमापन्नं मन्यन्ते माम् अबुद्धयः
(Almighty speaking) Only low consciousness-level morons perceive me as entity in human form.
We use all these words God, Almighty, param_tattv, Absolute Truth as means to point at formless, apparently inexplicable„ all_pervading_conscious.  In the example that you have quoted, the old person, who was at the end of his days, may be referring to some group of living mortals as "Higher court".

He means iswar kA adAlat, not some group of living mortals.
 
 In Hindu philosophy, death of a living mortal is not the end of everything.

That's true in the old man's religion too. If death were the end in his religion, there would be no point in getting judged in a court after death.
 
The पुनर्जन्म (pronounced as 'punarjanm' meaning reincarnation) concept refers to age old fight between good & evil. If you link your resurrection related theme to 'punarjanm', then perhaps you may get some parallel interpretation for resurrection. But that's somewhat different line of analysis...

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Re: [AvC] Re: Science, faith, atheism and eternity

You have commented (What lies have I perpetrated, Ego? Please be specific.) on your own comment (But you're not. You perpetrate lies.)


Den torsdag den 26. maj 2016 kl. 17.11.50 UTC+2 skrev LL:


On May 26, 2016, at 6:24 AM, Ego <geoe...@gmail.com> wrote:

That nice dear...


But you're not. You perpetrate lies. 

What lies have I perpetrated, Ego? Please be specific. 

LL

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Re: [AvC] Cause &Efect

I think this interpretation conflict arises out of the fact that your perception about theology or God is based upon western philosophy; whereas my theist beliefs are based upon principles of Hinduism. In westetn countries, theists tried to rule the masses in the name of God. That didn't happen in India. Hinduism has taken pro-truth atheism into account by way of निर्गुण उपासना (pronounced as 'nirgun upaasana'). We use the word God or Almighty in different context.
अव्यक्तं व्यक्तिमापन्नं मन्यन्ते माम् अबुद्धयः
(Almighty speaking) Only low consciousness-level morons perceive me as entity in human form.
We use all these words God, Almighty, param_tattv, Absolute Truth as means to point at formless, apparently inexplicable„ all_pervading_conscious. In the example that you have quoted, the old person, who was at the end of his days, may be referring to some group of living mortals as "Higher court". In Hindu philosophy, death of a living mortal is not the end of everything. The पुनर्जन्म (pronounced as 'punarjanm' meaning reincarnation) concept refers to age old fight between good & evil. If you link your resurrection related theme to 'punarjanm', then perhaps you may get some parallel interpretation for resurrection. But that's somewhat different line of analysis...

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